Tolerating The Job (while making a career change)  – Pursuing Your Passions Limited Podcast Series

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Are you secretly dreaming of the day you never have to come in to work again?

Imagining what it would be like to quit & revel in the freedom of taking your next step towards working your passions?

I’m feeling you. I used to have a 40 min commute down a highway every morning to a job that started at 7am & I just couldn’t bloody wait to hand in my resignation.

Except, it took several years of preparing my passions before I was ready to resign.

So how do we tolerate “the job” in the interim?

How can we (dare I say it) enjoy the work we’re doing, when we know this career isn’t for us in the long term?

It can be a real struggle to show up to a job & career you’re ready to leave. But for many of us, it’s a necessary phase of our transition towards our passions.

Over the years I’ve seen (with myself, my friends & also with clients) a few key themes that make staying in “the job” more difficult than it needs to be.

Today on the podcast we’re exploring these deeper dynamics…

• The 5 deeper drivers causing dissatisfaction in our job
• Why high performing women often have the greatest challenges tolerating the job
• My 3 pearls of wisdom for enjoying your work (more)
• Money, security & where we’re allowing cash to flow from
• Why I asked for a demotion & how I transitioned (we take a detailed look)
• The internal standards we have to investigate & dismantle to create more room for our passions

This is the second installment of our 9-part series. Here’s what else we have planned:

• Ep1 – Passion, Purpose & Career
• Ep2 – Tolerating The Job (while we make a career change)
• Ep3 – Hold up. Entrepreneur? That’s not what I signed up for. Is it?
• Ep4 – Am I making the right move? The Career Change Stories of 3 Women
• Ep5 – Safety, Money & Starting Up a new career
• Ep6 – A Career in Coaching
• Ep7 – Return on Investment (in yourself)
• Ep8 – Career Change Stories: 4 Coaches Share Their Experience
• Ep9 – Embodied Ways of Working & Feminine Leadership in our career

This series is perfect for the woman who’s quietly seeking a career change, actively navigating the chaos of change, or just wants to become a more interesting person in the way you relate to your work.

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Transcript

(This transcript is generated by AI so might not be perfect)

Are you secretly dreaming of the day when you never have to come into your work again? Or do you just like spend daydreaming hours wondering what it would be like to just quit and revel in the freedom to take your next steps to towards working your passions? If that’s you, I’m feeling you. I used to have this 40 minute commute down a highway every morning to a job that started at 7:00 AM and I just [00:00:30] could not bloody wait to hand in my resignation, except it actually took me several years of preparing my passions before I was really ready to change careers. So in those instances, how do we tolerate the job in the interim? And how could we perhaps even enjoy the work that we’re doing when we know that this career isn’t for us in the long term, [00:01:00] it can be a real struggle.

I hear this struggle from friends and from clients all the time. It can be a real struggle to show up in a career that you are ready to leave, but for many of us, it is a necessity and a really important phase of transitioning towards our passions. So I have condensed some of the key deeper drivers that cause more dissatisfaction in the job, things that we can actually adjust [00:01:30] and uh, some dials that we can, uh, change so that it’s much easier to tolerate the job. And I also have three really juicy pearls of wisdom for how you can enjoy your work more while you’re tolerating your job. This podcast is particularly relevant for high performing women who often have some of the greatest challenges in tolerating the job is also really useful for people [00:02:00] who are concerned around money and security and know that they need to keep working for a while longer before their passions really take flight.

Welcome and thank you for joining me, Jenna Ward on the School of Embodied Arts podcast. Here we discuss becoming more vibrantly alive through the body. We dive into the depth of vulnerability, the heights of pleasure and magnetism, and [00:02:30] the skills of exquisite feminine embodiment coaching.

Hello and welcome to part two of our Pursuing Your Passions Limited Series podcast. You’re with me, Jenna Ward. I feel like I’m sounding a little husky today. I had a cold last week, and so it is me with a bit more depth in [00:03:00] my voice than I might usually have as we enter into this second episode of our Pursuing Your Passions series. Today’s topic is a very topical one. This is a conversation that I have a lot with friends, peers, clients who are in career transitions, and it’s about tolerating the job that you’re in. So for most of us, we live in worlds cultures, countries that don’t have a universal basic income, [00:03:30] which means we need money to survive and thus we need a job. So many of us, myself included, while we are figuring out our way forward and working more and more deeply with our passions, we’re going to have the job, the j o b as a way for us to keep safe and keep secure while we figure our stuff out.

And this can this job, the job can present such a struggle [00:04:00] for so many of us on so many fronts. So in today’s podcast, I’m going to draw a few examples from some of my existing friendships, clients, my own life as well. And we’re going to speak about firstly, the deeper reasons why the job might irritate us. This is actually very illuminating when we look at some of the deeper drivers that might be pleasant present in our job dynamics. And then I have three pearls for you around [00:04:30] how you can shift from tolerating to maybe even thriving in this job that’s taking care of you while you move your passions forward. So let’s dive in. There are a few really good reasons that we don’t love the job. The job that we know is not gonna be our forever thing, but it’s the thing that’s bringing in the income While we’re in this stage of transition, one of the biggest reasons that I feel like many of us don’t love the job is because it actually represents [00:05:00] the old identity that we’ve outgrown and that we’re wanting to shift.

So if we’ve been in that particular career or that particular job or that particular work environment for a while, it can really represent who we have been, the identity we’ve been holding. And if you remember in episode one of this podcast series, we spoke a lot about the idea of pursuing our passions, often requiring [00:05:30] us to reinvent and to dissolve and to develop new identities. So when we are shifting and growing on the inside, but we’re showing up to this job which we might have been showing up to for the last year or two or five or 10, there is a very particular shape that that job has us step into a very particular shape and way of being, which really closely represents our old identity, [00:06:00] who we have been, who we were before these passions kind of awake, awoke, and took hold more deeply before we said yes to these passions perhaps.

And so very often we can dislike the job because we dislike the shape or the form that we have to step into the identity that we have to play in order to actually do that work. And there are a lot of additional reasons why, but we’re gonna speak about this [00:06:30] idea of the shape or the identity that we’re stepping into to do that work. For me, when I was in my career as pharmacist, I’d been in that career since I graduated from university. And so I had really had a lot of my more maiden people pleasing like qualities that were very imbued in how I did my work. I was known, I think, I imagine I was known as a bit of a friendly individual who was always, yes, I can do that. Yes, I can [00:07:00] make that happen. Yes, I’m here to help and extend myself a very like helper bee type energy.

And these are not bad qualities, but this very people pleasing maiden like quality was something that was very strongly associated with the work that I do and how I saw myself in that work. And that was definitely a quality as I was evolving who I was as a woman and thus my passions were evolving. That was an identity that I felt like I had outgrown, [00:07:30] but it felt like that particular aspect of my work was maybe still stuck a little bit in the past of who I had been. Now naturally, and of course we may find that the job that we’re doing is not really meaningful and we are wanting to shift to something that feels more meaningful for us. And that’s not to say that that work wouldn’t feel or be meaningful to another, but for you and your particular composition, it [00:08:00] may no longer feel meaningful.

May also be that the system or the hierarchy that you’ve gotta go to that job in is creating exhaustion or is creating burnout. So just speaking to a friend recently about the culture in his workplace, and it had recently shifted with a new manager stepping in who was really into micromanaging everyone on the team. And that micromanaging created just a very different sense [00:08:30] of anxiety and stress in this friend’s body. So it could be that we find the work meaningful and that we enjoy it, but that the system that we’re in is creating an undesirable effect. Burnout is a really common experience that many people have when the culture of an organization is not necessarily aligned to our bodies working as humans, but instead expecting our bodies to work as machines. [00:09:00] Um, and managers can also have a role in that. We also might not love the job, and this is a very common one that I see in the activist sector in particular.

We might not love the job anymore because we are passionate about that work, but the culture and the expectations of what’s required to do that work, often the emotional labor that’s required to do that work is somehow invisible or not fully [00:09:30] woven into the equation of value in that work. So a lot of times in the activist sector I see people who are so passionate about the causes that they’re working for and yet the culture that they’re working in is creating a lot of disembodiment, a lot of numbness, a lot of burnout, which is something that doesn’t match with their values and how they wanna work in the world. The next reason that I wanna suggest for why we might not love the job, and this can sound like a little bit of a [00:10:00] depressing list, but I think it’s really important for us to get all these cards on the table so that we can genuinely understand when we get to the pearls, why they’re so important and valuable.

So the next one is a dynamic which I know very intimately and very well, and it’s a dynamic of over giving. In our current work, so many, many, many, many particularly women that I know are really successful [00:10:30] in their jobs, a really high performance, high caliber women, they can do it, they do it really well, they do it to a really high standard and often they go above and beyond what is required in their job mandate in order to be such excellent performers. And this often is because they’re just highly capable, intelligent people. So you know, hoot so to you. And at the same time when we are in this [00:11:00] mode of overdelivering, overperforming, and overgiving, when we’ve defined success for ourselves and our work as 200%, that can leave very little left in the tank for us to then pursue our passions with. So a frequent reason that I find that we don’t love the job is because we, the individual in question is going above and [00:11:30] beyond the mandate to give more than is required.

Often we’ll do that because that matches our internal values and our internal expectations of what we need to do to succeed. And it’s the exact opposite of the recent phenomenon that we saw during Covid, which was people’s tendency to do this quiet quitting. If you haven’t heard about quitting, it’s when you keep showing up to your job, but inside you’ve actually already resigned. And so you just do the [00:12:00] absolute minimum level for your job description. Like whatever the expectations are, you are at a like a 75% out of a hundred on that expectation scale. So very often I find that the people who are in a job, they know it’s not their long-term job or career, and yet they’re not the quiet quitters of the world. They’re people that are still performing at a very high level and then questioning where is the energy or the aliveness.

Whereas the passion, where’s [00:12:30] the inner fire that I can use to pursue these passions because I know I wanna make change. And so we see, we end up in this zero sum game where you’re putting all this energy into a workplace where you know you don’t wanna be long-term and you’re doing all of this overgiving often because of expectations and iden and old identities that you’ve set for yourself. One of the final reasons, and this is not a totally exhaustive list, but these [00:13:00] are all the common things that I see with my clients and friends. One of the last reasons that I feel like many of us struggle with the job and struggle to tolerate the job is that we may unconsciously have an ideology that our money, our cash, should be flowing to us via our passions, not via this everyday work. And so there can build a degree of unavailability, [00:13:30] lack of generosity, lack of receptivity of money that flows to us via the job because that’s not the way that you want it to be.

You want money to flow to you a different way, and that can make it really difficult to tolerate the job because if we’re not in receptivity and gratefulness of the abundance that actually is flowing through this channel, it makes it really difficult to hold any gratitude or any kind of goodwill towards [00:14:00] that location or that place of work. So now that we’ve unpacked some of the reasons that you might not be loving your job, you possibly already knew all of these and maybe some of the deeper drivers are true for you, let’s instead shift into my three pearls around ways that we can tolerate and thrive more fully in our job. Now, just a little side note, these three pearls, I chose pearls because my daughter [00:14:30] has recently established an obsession with pearls. She wants to know where they come from and how they’re made.

And can we go looking for some on the beach today? And every time we’re at the beach lately we are looking for pearls. Now we’re never gonna find one because we live on like a sandy white beach where there’s no oysters and you’re not gonna grow pearls, but she just is obsessed with pearls. So we’ve been talking about them a lot. And so today I have three pearls, three gems, [00:15:00] three little wisdom ideas to perhaps spark some deeper contemplation and some poli some possibilities about how you might orientate to tolerating or even thriving in your job while you’ll pursue your passions a little bit more. So the first one is about rewriting the script of pleasing and performing. We’ve already spoken about the dynamic where many, many individuals are in [00:15:30] overgiving mode in their work. You’re going above and beyond. You’re saying yes to the extra projects, you’re saying yes to the extra responsibility, you’re holding yourself to super high standards.

And as a result, there’s just really very little fuel left for you to do anything outside that particular career. And I believe that shifting these expectations, which is an internal dynamic shift, predominantly an internal dynamic [00:16:00] shift, is absolutely key to your enjoyment of the job that you’re in, which is providing such beautiful inflow of abundance for you as you figure out your transition. I know that this was the case for me when I was in a quite a senior position as a pharmacist team leader. So I was one of, I was like quite a capable person. I could manage my ward of 30 clients and mentor the team [00:16:30] and take on this new technology project that the hospital wanted to roll out. I would say, yes, I’ll coordinate that. Yes, I’ll manage that. Yes, I’ll take that project and add it onto my portfolio in addition to everything else that I’m already doing.

I was a capable, yes, I can do that as well kind of person. And that served me for a while. It really helped me move up the career ladder. But when I got to a point where I realized this career isn’t [00:17:00] my forever passion and I wanna explore something else, I knew that I was going to need more fuel, more reserves in the tank to actually put some of that energy and life force in a fresh direction. And that me meant that I needed to pull back what I was actually saying yes to and agreeing to in my existing work. I would not go as far as to call it quiet quitting, but I would describe it as resetting the ways that I was pleasing others and [00:17:30] performing to above necessary internal standards that I had decided for myself. And so the questions that I were contemplating were questions like, what standards are you holding yourself to?

I think it’s really interesting to compare those with your coworkers. Are they holding themselves to those same standards? Are these the standards that are described in your job description? [00:18:00] Are these standards that leave you with a bit of energy left at the end of the day to do something else that evening or that weekend? Are these standards that are sustainable for you? And the second question that I would often ask is around where am I over performing? Where am I going above and beyond? Where am I doing much more than is expected? And who am I hoping to please [00:18:30] with those actions? You know, when I would take on those extra projects on top of my mentoring and my caseload work, I would feel really great inside because I’d get to play with the bigger players in the hospital. I would be seen as really critical and important as the key project person working on a particular project.

I would feel like I was contributing, I was progressing, I was doing something that made me important. And all of those were lovely [00:19:00] ways to feel, and at the same time, absolutely not necessary for my job description At that point, I don’t feel. And so I really had to check in with, well, where is this performance going into overperforming and pleasing for the sake of others versus actually really pleasing myself? Now don’t get me wrong, this is not an easy shift to make. I really wanna be very clear about this. This is something that often [00:19:30] won’t shift overnight for many high performing women because for many of us who identify as a high performance or someone who goes over and above in their work to do less may seem like blasphemy <laugh>, it may just seem like, but that’s lazy, but that’s just not acceptable.

Really interesting to investigate what resistance is, what challenges, what thoughts and ideas might arise in your head [00:20:00] as I even speak about this idea of doing less than your highest expectations because these need to be investigated. There is life force energy that can either be directed towards a job that you are feeling resentful of perhaps, or there’s life force energy that can be directed towards your passions. So you have to make a decision, are you gonna go all in here or are you gonna keep a little bit of reserve on the bench to play [00:20:30] like you know, to play the next game? I feel that resetting these boundaries and this willingness to look for ways for it to be easy is a key disposition to have so that you can actually enjoy the job that you’re doing. You can do it mediocre level. Well, and this is actually such an uncomfortable aspiration that I found really difficult to have to aim, just to be mediocre, to aim, to not be [00:21:00] exceptional, to aim, to not receive additional praise or accolades, to aim to be as average as everyone else on the team.

Now that’s certainly not to disparage anyone that was on my team because you know, being average and in the middle of the playing field is really great <laugh>. I think that’s actually where most employees hang out most of the time. So could you aim to be average and how much energy in life force might you reclaim from that overgiving [00:21:30] efforting you were doing? There’s a lot of little shifts here from how quickly you respond to an email to how many additional projects you take on to how many sick leave days you give yourself if you have the privilege of sick leave. But I feel like we’ve gotta keep some energy back in the tank for us. And often that means reducing the pleasing, letting go of the performing and aiming for average. [00:22:00] That’s my first pearl of wisdom in how to enjoy your job more.

The second pearl that I wanna share with you is one that is around balancing money with effort. Okay? So I’m gonna share with you an example from a client here. I had a client who was transitioning from working in a really high caseload, emotionally intensive type of work, and she was transitioning more into her work as a feminine embodiment [00:22:30] coach. She already had a client caseload as a coach, but it was capped because she was doing that work on the side. And she knows, and it will happen that they want to transition to more and more of their coaching work. But actually it was seemingly impossible to expand and increase her on the side coaching work because the level of intensity emotionally and also as a result of her caseload in her primary [00:23:00] job was just something that couldn’t be rebalanced. So even if she aimed for average in this existing job that she had, there was still so much energy that needed to be poured into this to to do the job, to an adequate standard.

And so in this case, it was really difficult for this particular person to find a healthy balance between tolerating her job and moving her passions forward because of the nature of the work. [00:23:30] And here we really have to begin to think about, well, how much income do I need comparing that to how much effort am I willing to put out? An example here from my own life, I was working as a team leader, as a pharmacist, and there’s like a scale or a system of like seniority. It was like a level five scale job. And it meant that I had a team of pharmacists [00:24:00] that I needed to take care of and I had to report to the assistant director. So I was like in middle management in a way. And I remember as I was thinking about how am I gonna pursue my passions while still having a pretty high demand job, it required me to look at, well, how much money do I need versus how much effort am I willing to put in?

I knew that I wanted to aim for average and put in less effort in my work, but I also knew that that meant that [00:24:30] I might have to shift to how much income I earned. So for me, in my example, I went from a team leader job. I actually took an, and I instigated a demotion of myself down to a regular pharmacist job, which was a level four job. So I had less responsibility and by switching jobs to, it was a lower paying job, but it was also a lower responsibility job meant that I had more flexibility, more flexibility, less [00:25:00] demand on my time. In the case of my client that I was speaking about earlier, they actually decided to leave the high caseload and the high emotional intensity work behind and switch to a like a different on the side job, which was more flexible and less demanding in a more administrative field of work.

So what I’m suggesting here under this principle is that it may be required to shift within your organization, [00:25:30] to shift between organizations and to find a job where you can balance the income that you are earning with the effort that you’re putting out. Now, the trick here is that we need to know exactly how much income we do need. This requires us to be really particular about our finances and also perhaps getting a little bit more particular about our spending. For many of us around our thirties into [00:26:00] our forties and midlife, we may be used to having quite a significant disposable income at our fingertips. And it can be quite a shift in thinking about, well, how might I earn less but also effortless so that I have more life force and time and energy available for my passions? I know for me over many years, this has led to really investigating one of my values in terms of how I earn and how I spend money.

[00:26:30] And one of the, uh, really biggest influences for me around this has been Mr. Money mustache. He’s this guy who has a blog, I’ll link it in the show notes. And his principle in life is about earn money, keep money, don’t spend money, not about like being frugal or being stingy, but just being really clear about what your values are and how you’re deciding to spend your money [00:27:00] in your life. I think he’s got some really sensible points to say on the matter. And so it’s been really interesting for me that as I’ve been on this career transition, so I’m on my third career in coaching now, it’s really required me to look at my finances, how much I’m spending, and to determine what is it that I value. Do I value my passions? Do I value my freedom? What does that mean and how I spend or save my disposable income?

[00:27:30] And wrapped up with this is naturally a lot of privilege. Many of us may find ourselves in debt with mortgages in unaffordable rental crises. If you’re living in Australia, there’s a real rental crisis of unaffordable housing at the moment. So there are a lot of socioeconomic factors which can either create a sense of privilege for us. Like I myself, I live in a house that my partner and I own together [00:28:00] with a mortgage from the bank of course, but that’s a real privilege to have secure housing and it’s very much impacted the financial decisions that we’ve been able to make in terms of following our passions. So when I make the suggestion in this pearl number two of think about how you might take a lower paying job, think about how you might take a less efforting job. Think about how you might discuss or negotiate with your employer at a scale from five days a week to nine [00:28:30] days a fortnight, to four days a week, to three days a week, to one day a week <laugh>, which is literally the career transition that I took. I scaled my pharmacy hours down so slowly over the course of a number of years because I knew that it was necessary to balance the income that I was receiving while still having energy left over to effort.

The third pearl that I wanna share with you around tolerating and enjoying [00:29:00] the job is this, it is essential to allow money to flow to you in all of its glorious forms. So many of us have an idea that we will quit this job, step into our new career and our new passions, and we will earn the same income or more from our passions and we’ll never have need for another job again. And we’ll just be doing the [00:29:30] thing that lights us up forevermore and we can easily attach the idea that money that flows to me from my passions is good and welcome. And money that flows to me from other sources is for some reason less valued, less soul aligned, less meaningful. I think that’s a really dangerous and often unconscious slippery slide to go down because when we do not allow money to flow to us [00:30:00] in any or all of the forms that it wants to come in, we don’t allow ourselves to really feel into the security and into the abundance that money represents.

One of the biggest inner emotional challenges that many of us will face in pursuing our passions is feeling safe, feeling secure, and dealing with the risk of doing something unconventional or [00:30:30] less financially. Sure, that sense of, oh, I’m a bit worried about this. Is it safe? Am I gonna be safe? Am I gonna be able to provide for myself? All these questions are naturally gonna come up time and time and time again if we’re on a path of pursuing our passions. And so I feel it’s a really important practice that any money that flows to you, whether it’s money from the job, money from a tax [00:31:00] return, money from an investment, money from your grandma for your birthday, <laugh>, money from that you know that you found on the sidewalk, any money that’s flowing to you, I think it’s really important for us to put a condition of only receptivity and feeling into the security that you are able to create in your life. ’cause that’s actually a really important resource when you step forward to take risk on this new career path. It is [00:31:30] really important to know that at your back you have skills, you have an employment history, you have the ability to generate income and a somatic relationship with that income flowing into you that helps you to feel secure. That is an important and critical secure base to have. And so there’s absolutely, in my opinion, no place to put conditions on saying Money can flow to me this way, but it can’t flow to me that way.

[00:32:00] Another reason for this is that you may want or need a job much longer than you expect. So I’m gonna share two examples here. One’s from my own life. Just before I was mentioning that I had a job for literally years while I was in this, uh, transition from pharmacist to my first career as kinesiologist because I was working full-time. And then I transitioned to four days a week, then three days a week, [00:32:30] <laugh>, then I changed employers and I worked at a university as like a pharmacy assistant, um, lecturer one day a week. And I did that for a while, which was honestly, by that point it was just really overkill. I really didn’t need the security, but there was something just about having that one day a week gig that supported me just to feel secure in my transition. So it took me many years and I was really fortunate and privileged to have an employer where I couldn’t negotiate that level of flexibility with them.

[00:33:00] But I actually, I wanted, and financially I needed a job much longer than I expected for that transition to really take place and for me to step full-time into my passions. I’m gonna speak on a future podcast about earning money and making a reproducible income through your passions. But I feel like it’s really important to normalize the fact that if you are stepping into a different career path, a new passion-based project, [00:33:30] you may not instantly make the same money that you made in your old career. It’s very normal in the startup years of a business or of entrepreneurship to take a little while to figure out how to reproducibly make income. I feel like in the world of, of like Instagram and online, there’s a lot of promise of like, yeah, sure you can make six figures in your first 12 months. And the reality was, for me as a kinesiologist [00:34:00] in my first, uh, year of business, I did make six figures.

I didn’t keep six figures though ’cause I had huge overheads for an in-person practice. I made a livable income in my first year, uh, of my career as kinesiologist. But it still took quite a few years for me to figure out how to reproducibly earn an income without doubt. Now my salary and my in earning potential well exceeds what it was. As a pharmacist, that has [00:34:30] absolutely true, but I’ve also been in the game for coming up close to a decade now. So that’s a little way on of pursuing my passions. But you may also choose to keep a job. I have a very dear friend who is working at the moment. She works part-time in her passion-based work. She works part-time in a job, happens to be for the government. I would also describe that as her passion-based work. They’re very [00:35:00] different applications of work, but they both really follow her core values of what she’s wanting to contribute to in the world and in communities.

So she’s really chosen to have a job, not because it’s something that she needs to tolerate, although I’m sure the income is really nice, but because it’s a really unique way for her to express her passions across a multitude of forums. So I think it’s really useful for us to think about a job [00:35:30] not as a failure, but as something that we, we might want and or might need, and finding how we might be, might be wildly grateful for this money. This sense of security that is often attached to money is flowing through to us. I think that’s actually really important Third pearl for us to be in more harmony with the job while we pursue our passions. [00:36:00] So I hope that some of these deeper dive explorations or one of these pearls has been really meaningful you today, meaningful for you today. And if you have a friend or colleague or somebody that you’re connected with who’s also in the midst of pursuing their passions and changing careers, I would really encourage you to drop them the link to this podcast Sharing the Love I’d also. So lovely. I’d really love to, um, ask you to leave a [00:36:30] review of the podcast wherever you might be listening over on Spotify or iTunes. It’s a lovely way for people to find more about school and to join this juicy conversation that we’re having. I’ll speak with you next week for our third delicious installment in the series. For now, farewell,

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